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Poster: duckpond74 Date: May 3, 2011 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Yes, pure magic and sheer mastery take this performance to that rare level of joy, energy, synergy and beauty that this band line up was heartily capable of . . .

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-03.sbd.masse.142.sbeok.shnf

Those of you who are familiar with this wonder full show, know the feelings it evokes. If you have never heard this, do yourself a big, life-changing favour . . . get comfortable, open a nice bottle of wine or make yourself a pleasant pot of tea and prepare yourself for one of this band's brightest moments. Listen intently without distraction to the Truckin' > Other One > Bobby McGee > Other One > Wharf Rat . . . the sequence starting with the jam coming out of Truckin' through the first notes of Bobby McGee contains all of the elements of beauty, surprise, synergy, energy, tension, awe and relief that make this musical journey one of this band's true masterpieces. Enjoy the ride.

I'll be curious to see if and how the Euro '72 Box remaster can improve upon this rare gem.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 3, 2011 8:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

"I'll be curious to see if and how the Euro '72 Box remaster can improve upon this rare gem."

I really don't think that there is a great deal of room for sonic improvement with this show. The Masse remaster is sourced from a stolen "Honeymoon Tape" vault recording and quite probably represents the very finest sound quality of any Europe '72 performance in circulation at this time. My only complaint with this one is that for some strange reason, the songs included in the Europe '72 album (China/Rider, Jack Straw and Tennesse Jed) have been replaced with the "over dubbed" tracks from that album.

The show itself is a treasure and just might be the most aesthetically beautiful performance of the entire Europe '72 tour. Every song is flawlessly played. Several are candidates for best of tour renditions, and Jack Straw and Saturday Night are possibly all-time greatest performances.

The second set jam suite is extraordinary; the amazing Other One rivaling the incredible performance in Frankfurt one week earlier. An intense Truckin' slips into an eerily quiet passage before Bobby and Phil again revisit the georgeous theme they explored in Aarhus. This time Phil is a bit more persistent though, eventually leading the way into a more structured Other One Jam. It's all hands on deck before yet another quiet passage featuring some sublime chord by Bob Weir, punctuated by a second jazzy visit to The Other One theme. A drum break preceeds an ultra-jazzy Phil solo accompanied by some snappy drums. This one sounds like Jimy Blanton and Gene Krupa. The balance of the first reprise is a wonderfully jazzy combination of intense Jerry/Keith duets and more lovely Weir/Lesh interplay. Still not finished with the theme, the second verse/reprise follows a soulfull Bobby McGee.

The vibe of both '72 Paris performances is quite a bit different from those in Germany one week earlier. These two shows are just a bit more layed back, but still laser focused with extremely tight execution and a very high level of creativity to the jamming. This performance just might be my very favorite of the entire tour. c'est magnifique!

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Poster: wineland Date: May 3, 2011 4:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Cliff, is the Masse or Samaritano source better?

Totally unrelated, other than hashjihad’s response, funny name BTW. I was riled up about something at work, my co-worker turns to me and says, "You should have a Bin Laden after work today: two shots and a splash of water."

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 3, 2011 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Very funny!

Joe Samaritano himself endorses sbd.masse.142.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: May 3, 2011 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Hi Cliff, I agree that it will be difficult to improve upon the sound and mix on what we already have. I'd like to hear a bit more depth in the remaster and that's about it. On the old LP version overdubbed edits, it's always nice to have the complete show, but the sonic mastering and the new vocal mix overlay is soooo different than the source here. The other day I was listening to a highlights disc I had toasted of the next night - 5/4 - and was reminded of why I usually faded out the end of Dark Star, so as not to have to hear the strange and comparatively saccharine sweet sounding redone Sugar Magnolia.

I'm hoping that with the new Euro '72 Box, the original source material for those songs from these glorious two nights in Paris has not been permanently altered when cut out and used nearly four decades ago. To hear these two entire shows in their original form and content will be the only way to improve upon these two gems.

And yes, these two nights are true treasures that stand out among the largess that we have here.

By the way, do you have the link for when you posted your Europe '72 diary with all of your reviews? I appreciate the thoughtful effort that went into that project.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 3, 2011 5:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Thanks!

Plenty of interesting E '72 discussion in this thread...

http://www.archive.org/post/304297/europe-72-notebook

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: May 3, 2011 5:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

That's the one. thanks

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Poster: Jim F Date: May 4, 2011 4:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Everybody ranks 4/29 as being the one to most likely benefit the greatest with the box set treatment. But I'd also really like to hear an improvement on 4/11, myself. 4/21 also has room for improvement, but that's the one set out of the whole tour that I could probably do without. Well, no, that's going a little far...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 3, 2011 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

I'm confused. Are you saying the Masse remaster has had those tunes replaced with the E72 overdubbed versions? What about the Latvala one or others here? (Or maybe I'm misunderstanding.)

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 3, 2011 8:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

sbd.masse.142.sbeok.shnf is sourced from 16 track vault master reels that Dick Latvala loaned to Dave Gans to use on his Grateful Dead Hour program. Gans neighbor stole or borrowed these reels from his house while Dave was away on his honeymoon.

The songs that were included on the Europe '72 album had been cut out of the master reels so Mike Masse has spliced in the tracks from the album which sound entirely different and have overdubbed vocals.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 3, 2011 10:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

I just looked at the notes and the Latvala source also seems to have been uploaded (or whatever) by Mike Masse and has those snipped in, too. So I guess we don't know if the pieces from the master reel even exist to be put on the box set? Wow, I didn't know that.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 4, 2011 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

I asked about this here when the box was announced and never got a response. They haven't made any comments about missing music from shows. I guess if they kept the snipped out pieces they used for E72 then they could still use them. If not, they probably have 2-track tapes of the shows they could be used for those songs. They have patched with aud tapes and even from other versions of songs as was pointed out here a few weeks ago for the Eyes of the World on the RT '74 release. I kind of hope they still have the snippets of the 16-track stuff and its usable.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 7, 2011 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Back from Paris?

How did you find the accommodations at the George V?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 8, 2011 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

I got back Friday evening. While Paris is a wonderful city, it was my longest trip away from the family in 4 years and i was happy to be home.

As for the King George V, i would not be caught dead in THAT dump. However on my last night in the city, i did have the pleasure of dining at the Ritz. Based on my experience, i am quite confident that Diana's last meal was wonderful. I walked back to my hotel from dinner and avoided any tunnels.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 8, 2011 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Youre being facetious about the George V right?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 9, 2011 5:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

but of course mon ami. Would have to hit the lotto to be able to stay at that place. Based on what i was paying for a 4 star, i wouldn't surprised if it easily clears a grand a night for their cheapest room. Alas, i don't play the lotto. c'est la vie.



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Poster: William Tell Date: May 9, 2011 6:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

By never loosing, you win.

You're still a bastard.

;)

(that's for Rob)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 9, 2011 6:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

If i were truly a bastard i would have gone with my initial instinct which was to say that the George V was the 2-26-77 of Paris hotels!

As for the wordsmith, i think i had an easier time understanding French than the "English" he was allegedly speaking. ;-)

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Poster: JihadOMuffin Date: May 3, 2011 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

There is definitely some fuzz they could get rid off. I had to turn my treble down, but I did have my volume ungodly high.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 3, 2011 5:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

While fortunate enough to be in Paris today, work prevented me from giving this show a listen. I think Phil summed it up when discussing this show and the following night "Keith was a God in Paris." Two stunning shows. I hope everyone has the opportunity to enjoy.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 3, 2011 5:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Youre in the city of lights right now Larry!

I'm very jealous! Hope you are enjoying some fine libations!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 3, 2011 5:34pm
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Oui mon ami! Had a private reception in the louvre tonight. Drank some Saint Veran and Bordeaux, then got much closer to the Mona Lisa than i ever dreamed. I have a few fancy dinners lined up for the next two nights, including one at the Ritz. I hope to make it to Champagne for the day on Thursday for some tastings before i head home.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 3, 2011 9:29pm
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This is really going too far, L; truth be told, I skipped my trip to Pear-E for the Negev Desert, and the wife never forgave me, but still...you bastard.

Enjoy! Speaking of such matters, I truly hope there were funds for spousal support on this one...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 4, 2011 1:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

You could have combined the trips. Negev to Paris, and back with souvenirs. Snakes on a Plane, Part II: Paris!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 3, 2011 9:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

There were and even got the inlaws to come to town and watch the kids and she elected not to come. She was questioning that decision as she took me to the airport. Hopefully there will be another opportunity.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 3, 2011 5:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Good for you Larry!

Did you see The Raft of the Medusa at the Louvre?

Enjoy yourself, we are all very envious!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 3, 2011 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Close to the Mona Lisa, with wine? Now that could really have made some press.

Just yesterday was talking with a friend -- she'd been at the Louvre, and lost her kid at the Mona Lisa. He was found quite a while later, utterly unconcerned and saying, "but mom, the Louvre is a great place to get lost!"

Enjoy your working vacation. Sounds tough :-)

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 4, 2011 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

I've gotten lost in the Louvre as an adult. There's always a large crowd at the Mona Lisa, but the most awe inspiring work there belongs to Gericault...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 4, 2011 10:11am
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Ah yes. Gericault's "Lost Sailor."

(No, I know it's the Raft of the Medusa!)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 3, 2011 9:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

I could see how that could happen. I took a more conventional tour of the Louvre on Monday and crowd around the Mona Lisa was not that different than being at a concert near the stage. They definitely could have used a tape of Bobby doing one of his "take a step back" raps.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 3, 2011 10:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Yup, but it might need to be prefaced by that section from -- is it Copenhagen? -- where the band asks folks to raise their hands if they can understand English.

Enjoy some E72 while you're there. At least on the plane. I always play shows from that tour on my iPod when flying through Europe ... just seems right!

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Poster: jds121291 Date: May 4, 2011 8:20am
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ha! thats interesting. can you give me a date and song?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 4, 2011 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

4/14/72, banter between Mr. Charlie and You Win Again.

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Poster: jds121291 Date: May 7, 2011 3:14pm
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yeah i just happened to be listening to that show yesterday and heard it after mr charlie

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: May 3, 2011 11:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

duckpond, this show definitely changed me...one of 'those' shows that transcends space and time. a show i knew little about until Cliff's wonderful Euro '72 notebook. i thought i had heard all the 'big time' stuff from this tour. damn was i wrong.

and this Other One jam suite is just too good for words. for my words, at least. you haven't heard this song 'til you've heard this...

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2011-05-04 06:14:45